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Sponsor |  lovingpoet | Oct 12, 2007 1:29pm | Has anyone experienced a visit from a lost (passed) loved one on a more internal level? As in you find your self taken with the manerisims and habits of someone who has been gone for a long time?
Not just a memory, no, much more than that...almost like an allowed possession.
I have...and will share more, but thought I would put the question out there first.
Has anyone experienced something similar to what I have described here? |
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Sponsor | | digits | Oct 15, 2007 6:54am | Oh My God!
Holy moley! I can't believe this! I thought it was just me! I was talking with my sister just two weeks ago about the traits I seem to have adopted when my Mimi died! For example, it never occurred to me to feed the birds with leftover food. But ever since she died some years ago I take leftover food that the strays wouldn't eat [rice, corn, lettuce, carrots, tomatoes, bread, toast...a mixture on one pot] and take it outside and throw it to the birds. [Whether they eat it or not, I do not know!] But she did that kind of stuff ALL the time and would say "Gotta give this to the birds."
Also. my cigarette. The woman let her ash tip get so long and I'd see long ash tips that had broken off in random places around the house. Guess what? Now my damn ash tips get so long and I'll accidentally drop it somewhere and have to clean it up. This is not once in a while...this is continual! I have to be diligent in NOT ashing accidentally.
There could be other qualities I am not aware of but these two have become so pronounced I finally mentioned it to my sister and wondered if maybe when our loved ones die if we absorb some of their spirit.
I cannot believe this thread! I thought I was so alone in seeing this phenomenon. |
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Sponsor | | lovingpoet | Oct 20, 2007 1:51am | My experiences with this are very much on a personal level. I found it ironic that you (digits) gave a smoking mannerism as an example. Because that is one of my main examples as well.
My grandfather was an english man. He came to the US as a young teen. But held onto certain english ways all through his life. His tea and smoke before lunch for example.
Now, I understand how this could be considered to be a habit I developed partially out of memory of my grandfather, yet, it is more than that. I experience a closeness in a way with my grandfather at these times. Like he is there and trying to comunicate with me. And enjoying his tea and smoke, through me. And he is not the only passed loved one that I feel visits me this way.
So I pose a question again, is this an actual phenomenon I am not alone in experiencing? Or is this nothing more than memories playing out in my mind and physically? Opinions?? |
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Sponsor | | digits | Oct 20, 2007 6:23am | I have to say, in my strong opinion, it's a phenomenon. I say this only because I don't want to ash. There are so many more mannerisms my quirky Mimi exhibited that I could pick up and would appreciate instead. I remember with fondness how we'd share a Three Muskateers. I would have enjoyed that one more but I didn't pick it up.
Also...in feeding the birds. I began feeding them first and then recognized it was something my Mimi did. I already had some birdhouses for the front yard so I could watch the birds so it was strange when I just began having this overwhelming feeling to not throw the scraps away but to take them outside...way to the back of the property and then throw them out. I never even realized *why* I was doing it to be honest until one day. One day it hit me. "I am feeding the birds and Mimi used to do this AND did it just like that." [She'd walk clear to the back of *her* lot - maybe 1/2 an acre walk and then toss them. The only thing I do differently is randomize the spot - unlike her - where she'd dump them in the same spot over and over.
I, too, have wondered the same thing: subconscious memory i want to live out or an active participation of my Mimi's essence. Mmmmmm...I'll try to explain where I am on it and how I think it's more leaning toward phenomenon...
I think that when people die or those close to us - maybe even animals but we don't exhibit animal behavior usually right? - it would be natural that their spirit/essence/energy/metaphysical whatever would gravitate toward "like" or would seek another physical body in which to continue thriving. [Taking these two principles: Every living thing has an instinct to continue living and matter is neither created nor detroyed it just changes forms AND so applying that to *spirit* or *energy* as well....] I have so then gained the theory.
So it's not like she has taken over my body or anything. But would it be far fetched to think that energy of hers has been absorbed [or connected with] by another person's energy?
...and maybe if an apple tree ever grows on her grave and her body decomposes to nourish the soil and the tree...and when someone plucks an apple and eats it, they'll then have some of my Mimi's physicality absorbed by *their* physicality too.
We're all connected.
That's my 5 cents right there. |
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Sponsor | | lovingpoet | Oct 20, 2007 1:29pm | Why thank you for that... :-)
how does that go..."ashes to ashes, dust to dust" we are of the earth and to the earth we shall return...yes we ARE all connected.
anyone else experienced this? |
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Sponsor | | Bohemian-Spirit | Jan 19, 7:47am | Fortunately, I have not experienced much death in my life. I'm 40 years old, and to date I've lost only my two grandfathers and my dad. The women in my family seem to live forever. My grandmothers are both in their late 80's, and have been living without their partners for more than 20 years now.
The granddad that I was close to died when I was 16, but I don't think I picked anything up from him, and I wouldn't want to pick up any of my dad's stuff. Too heavy.
I will tell you the story of my friend, though. This is a little bit different, and maybe puts an interesting twist on this conversation.
3 years ago, she was suffering from liver failure due to HepC. At long last, she received a liver transplant through the kindness and generosity of a young man and his family from another city. This poor young man had his whole life ahead of him, but was killed in a drive by shooting. He was just an innocent bystander. This tragedy of one family, however created life in so many others. My dear, dear friend received the gift of his liver.
After recovering fully from her operation and stabilizing on the medications she'll have to take forever to ensure she doesn't reject the organ, she started noticing some changes in her appetites. She had always been a kind of a health nut and ate veggies and fruits, etc. After the operation though, and to this day, she has to force herself to eat these things and much prefers red meat and sweets.
If you knew her, you would understand how insane this is. It is my feeling, and hers, that she absorbed some of this young man's appetites. she did not know him, and never had the opportunity to meet and thank the family, so we can't verify this, but I think it's interesting all the same. |
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Sponsor | | digits | Jan 19, 12:47pm | that is very interesting. in the book i am currently reading "Seat of the Soul" it says we have our *personalities* that incarnate through this body and when we die, although our souls are immortal, the personality dies [ie, those qualities we have adapted for this incarnation] and that usually means the entire body.
Well seems if this is true - as i believe it is - it makes sense that the liver - part of this boy's "personality incarnate" would continue to live on in your friend, AS it lived in him.
Makes sense to me.
With Mimi, however, it makes sense to me that when *her* personality incarnate passed away, that *my* soul almost made a point of relaying HER personality onto mine - almost like an electrical attraction.
of course saying it in human language can get confusing for me so i hope you know what i mean anyway. :) |
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Sponsor | | pixiequix | Jan 19, 3:01pm | 7. That's pretty cool... more than a little strange, but cool. ;-)
8. That's very similar to how I understand the exchange between personality and soul...
When I developed questions about the possible substance that makes up our souls and ourselves, Buddhist and Hindu teachings provided the most accessible answers for myself. I like those particular teachings because there will often be a single word to summarize an entire abstract idea. For instance, in Sanskrit the word Sutratma means "thread soul" and it's often referred to as the reincarnating ego. It's the reincarnating ego's job to carry all of our most noble and worthwhile traits with us into the next life. Pretty neat, huh? :)
I've never noticed any carried over traits from friends or relatives who have died though. Which actually surprises me a little since I wore several articles of my Grandfather's clothing after he passed on when I was 14... I just missed him so much. |
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Sponsor | | digits | Jan 19, 3:58pm | Regarding Bohemian-Spirit's friend...I remember as a younger lass reading extraordinary stories of people adopting their transplants' qualities. Then I remember the movie with Sandra Bullock when she got the wife of this man's heart after she died. Then they fell in love. A little cornballish but still. Along the same lines.
9...WOW! WOW! Yes, so neat! I like how that happens.
That's how what I am reading is interpreting that. I wonder, if maybe you garnered some of grandfather's traits as he was when he was a younger man? Maybe because you were only 14 at the time you'd not really identified a connection to his Sutratma so you couldn't really identify if they were *his* traits you'd later adapt or your own. It might be worth a thought because I am POSITIVE that if anyone would have that ability, it'd be an hsp.
but there again... i am so positive that the more i really discover about life, soul, universe, death, love, connections and so forth...the more i understand that there can always be so many more layers i will never understand, convey, or know [with my personality] in this "5-sensory-with human-language" life.
Could you use Sutratma in a sentence so i can make sure i am clear on it's meaning? No telling when i will research it for an article and I'd like to go ahead and begin wrapping my mind around it and letting my higher consciousness speak to me on it. :) |
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